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International Business Times on electric pollution

209717-emissions International Business Times has published an article comparing the CO2 output from battery electrics to that of hybrid vehicles concluding that under all the wrong conditions the hybrid betters the electric.

What are those conditions?

Well, when an electric car is charged from a coal power station.

I don’t enjoy reading articles that bash electric; it needs all the positive press that it can get and, to be fair the article is clear that this is not a typical case… I’ll wager that’s not the headline that gets picked up though!

Comparing an electric car charged from a coal power station to a hybrid in perfect working order is certainly over simplifying the equation, the conclusion breaks down when you factor in any of the following:

  • Not all power stations are coal; many are gas or even nuclear
  • Not all journeys are 100 miles; shorter distances see a significant jump in CO2 emissions from hybrids as they burn more fuel in the city environment.
  • Not all hybrids are in tip-top state of tune; like all internal combustion engines they degrade over time.
  • Many BEV friendly families have BEV friendly roof-tops covered in solar cells.
  • Electrics currently charge from spare, free power overnight.

Let’s recalculate:

Assuming the BEV is charged from 50% gas and 50% coal that’s now just one source emitting 0.59 tons / megawatt and one at 0.99 tons per megawatt (source: EIA) so our electric is producing just 37lbs, and that’s on the high side, on gas alone it’d be 28lbs so it lands much lower. I have solar cells so, for me, the output is ZERO lbs; try that with a hybrid… plug in guys!


Posted 02-20-2009 11:46 by MPT
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dsacks6 wrote re: International Business Times on electric pollution
on 02-22-2009 2:01

I have heard that very little of power in the US comes from gas/oil, something like 2, 3, 4 % or at least under 10%.

Does this article take into account cleaner coal technologies or does it assume traditional?

BAM wrote re: International Business Times on electric pollution
on 02-22-2009 21:58

"Clean" coal technologies are a myth.  Vaporware, as they say in my profession.

dsacks6 wrote re: International Business Times on electric pollution
on 02-23-2009 3:33

I meant just using the coal in the cleanest way possible, not necessarily some technique that is supposedly clean. So I am assuming that there are more than 1 way to make energy with coal, so what I really meant in the question is, does this assume the dirtiest form of coal energy production?

MPT wrote re: International Business Times on electric pollution
on 02-23-2009 8:16

Found this: "Several newer plants that burn coal use a different process, Integrated Gasification Combined Cycle in which synthesis gas is made out of a reaction between coal and water. The synthesis gas is processed to remove most pollutants and then used initially to power gas turbines. Then the hot exhaust gases from the gas turbines are used to generate steam to power a steam turbine. The pollution levels of such plants are drastically lower than those of "classical" coal power plants."

As of 2008; total power plants using 'Clean Coal' technology: ZERO.

Check out en.wikipedia.org/.../Clean_coal

BAM wrote re: International Business Times on electric pollution
on 02-23-2009 21:38

Dis-heartening, ain't it?

BAM wrote re: International Business Times on electric pollution
on 02-23-2009 21:43

Especially since our buddy, Obama, pinned much of his campaign platform on energy reform about the exploration and incentivization of "clean" coal technology.

Love the Obama, but he needs to get some reality checks.  Time to start looking a lot longer and a lot harder at nuclear power.

I'm hoping Energy Secretary Chu has more regard for current nuclear technology than he's let on.  As of now, it sounds like Chu is squarely focused on revolutionizing solar and wind technologies with quantum advances in research in those areas.  The problem with that approach, of course, is that it leaves us decades away from addressing the problem with substantive actions.

I'm all for incentivizing R&D on solar, wind, geothermal, even "clean" coal, et al.  But let's not do so at the expense of the cleanest, most efficient technologies available to us right now.  The primary one being nuclear.

MPT wrote re: International Business Times on electric pollution
on 02-24-2009 10:53

What happens when we switch to solar and night falls?

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